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The Missing Piece in Your Marriage (It's Not What You Think) with Emily Galligan

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What if the missing piece in your relationship isn’t better communication—but more connection with yourSelf?


In this week’s episode, I sit down with love and relationship coach Emily Galligan, known as The Marriage Mystic, to talk about what really creates connection that lasts.


We explore how so many growth-oriented women end up caught in the cycle of over-giving, over-controlling, and carrying the emotional load—and how nervous system safety changes everything. Before you ever say a word, your body is communicating.


Emily shares simple, tangible ways to shift how you show up in your relationship—so you can speak from calm instead of reactivity, listen with presence instead of fear, and reconnect with curiosity instead of control.


We talk about:
🌿 How to stop mothering your partner without withdrawing love
🌿 What real boundaries sound and feel like
🌿 Why “creating space first” is the key to deeper intimacy
🌿 The moment women realize they’ve been leaking energy they need for themselves and their children


You’ll also hear how yoga philosophy and somatic practice offer a living framework for love—building the inner spaciousness that supports emotional, physical, intellectual, social, and spiritual intimacy.


If you’re craving a marriage where you feel seen, safe, and supported without losing yourself, this conversation will help you come home to your body, your truth, and your power in love.

About Emily Galligan

Emily is a love and relationship coach and the founder of The Marriage Mystic, where she helps women create partnerships rooted in depth, growth and mutual devotion. shaped by her own journey navigating her spouses addiction, illness, parenthood and relational awakening, Emily blends ceremony, embodiment and practical relationship skills to support women in releasing power struggles, reclaiming inner authority, and leading either relationships into deeper intimacy and trust. Use coupon code "NOURISHED" for 50% off her course - Connection Codes. 

Find out more about Emily on her website or instagram. 

About Keri Marino

Keri is a Somatic Yoga Therapist and founder of The Nourished Woman, helping women who love yoga and personal growth but still feel overwhelmed, disconnected, or stuck in old patterns. By weaving yoga as a devotional practice with somatics and inner work, she supports women in regulating their nervous systems, healing deeply, and growing into fuller, more embodied lives. Keri’s approach is calm, spiritual, and practical—designed for real women navigating real life.

Learn more about Keri on her website or instagram. 

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SPEAKER_01:

Welcome to the Nourished Woman Podcast, a space for women who've been doing the work to grow and heal and are ready to feel good again, body, mind, and soul. I'm your host, Carrie Marino, somatic yoga therapist of over 16 years, mentor and mama of three. I help women like you fall in love with how yoga makes you feel. Alchemi the hard things you've been through and experience more pleasure and aliveness in your body and relationships. I'm so glad you're here. Let's dive in.

SPEAKER_00:

I just know I can't survive without mysteries.

SPEAKER_01:

Today I get to sit across from Emily Emily Gallaghan, and she is the founder of The Marriage Mystic, and she is a love and relationship coach. And if you look into Emily, you'll find that she has a lot of different skills that she can share with the world from yoga teacher training. I think you did like a yin yoga training at one point. And really, who you're here to help are women that are doing the work for yourselves, and you want to bring your marriage along with you. You want to experience feeling resourced in yourself and then being able to have the kind of partnership that you only get to have when you're doing the work to show up and tend to yourself. And I think that's just such a relevant topic for all of us as we start off the new year. I'm glad that you're here, Emily. I want to tell everybody where we met and just a little bit about you more personally. So we met on in a business coaching program called Millionaire Mother. I I found her off Instagram, which I don't know about you, which was just such like a random fine and investment on my end. And we got to be in this cohort together. Really, just I found you so honest in the way that you would share and engage in our community. When you were there, you were really present with all of us. And I think that part of your gift in your work is to really be able to speak to the soul of what women are experiencing in marriage and their hopes and also the challenges and the desires and make it very clear. Like I think you can take these high-level complex topics and speak to it in a way that any woman can actually see herself in if we're all being honest with ourselves. And so I'm really stoked to have you here, to have seen your business grow, to get to know you in MME, and then now to be able to tell my community about what you do.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here. And I feel like the same for you. I remember like you coming on a call, and I was just like, this woman is such a presence and so grounded and clear. And I was instantly drawn to you. So I'm super excited to have the opportunity to chat with you and collaborate with you and just be more in your world. So thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, it's such a treat. Can you tell us, Emily, something that is just feeling so nourishing for you, like body, mind, or spirit or life or relationship? It could be anything that you're just like, this is good in my life right now.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's see. I think what's really sort of at the forefront for me, because it is January, and I'm such a like I my my soul is at home in nature and it's harder to do to get outside. And I think a lot of people can relate to that. I've been working with this idea of space. And I know that, you know, astrologically January isn't the new year, but I think about the feeling of like cleaning up after the holidays, and if there's snow and it's like white and crisp, and I've just been thinking about like working with this energy of like clarity and making space and allowing things to be slower and quieter and really like settling into that. So nourishing practices for me are like reminding myself that I don't have to be busy all the time. Yin yoga, deep breaths, like anything that creates more space and really grounds me and allows more clarity.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So it sounds like it's not just one thing that's nourishing you, it's a multitude of different tools and practices that are just grounding you and helping you to actually find that space.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and and play, I mean, I think also just like playing with this idea of like creating space as a theme and letting whatever practice supports that come come forward in a more intuitive style.

SPEAKER_01:

What's gonna touch on that that point? Ah, that's so so beautiful. And I have to say, very serendipitous, because my word of the year is space. I feel so just drawn to that concept and also just like the practice of yoga on so many like all the different practices of yoga, whether it be chanting or meditation or breath work or doing asana, like whatever it is, or the way that we view the world, right? All these practices, they actually create that space inside. And I heard you saying that you're turning to yoga as part of that, in addition to many other different things that are working for you. Are there any other like one or two things that are on that list of tools that feel so nourishing for you at the right moment?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh gosh. Well, just in general, I think the most nourishing thing for me is like as a you know, love and relationship intimacy person is touch. And touch is something I kind of struggled with a lot in my past. And now to be able to lean into that. So just asking for like my youngest son who's nine, I'll be like, he he wants tickles, and I'm like, cool, we'll do a couple minutes of tickles, and then can we just do some snuggles and like this skin to skin, breathing him in and you know, making sure I get a few moments of that with my husband every day. Like there's just something about being in physical proximity that doesn't require, like, there's no expectations or doing, it's just like that skin to skin nourishing, like really regulating on the nervous system. Like that is always my top practice.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, warm bodies settled in with no agenda.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. And as you were saying that, like my own excitement inside as I sat quietly and listened, was like, oh my gosh, how it's so good for your nervous system. Like, truly, there have been times when I will go have a cuddle moment with my husband, especially. I mean, I love cuddling my kids too, like it's just incredible. But I find especially with my husband, like those moments with him, I feel like I took medication. I am so shifted in my state. Like it is just dramatically more, there's something dramatically and somatically different about having had some time like that for me.

SPEAKER_00:

Totally. I actually, it's interesting because I did a reel about this recently where I used to feel guilty for wanting that feeling. And I didn't know how to articulate it or ask for it. And then once I became a mom and I learned so much about how how nourishing and supportive it is to a newborn to have skin-to-skin contact. And even still, how much I see it regulate my kids when they're a little bouncy and a little wild to be like, hey, just like let's let's just sit together and and how it grounds them. And I I realized how important it was. And now I had said in the real, like those moments when I'm snuggled up with my husband and he'll like pet my hair or like breathe me in. And I'm like, oh, I know that feeling. You're just like, you're just like loving me. And it really does. And I think that speaks to this core need for belonging of just like, oh, I feel safe because I feel like held and I feel like I know I'm not worried if I belong here.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah, you have certainty in that moment physically. And I feel like so much of us that are doing work to improve our marriages, like if we really step it back, we're actually learning how to experience safety physically and in our nervous system in a marriage that likely we were not taught, like we didn't have great examples, perhaps, of what that would be like. And so so much of this work of actually expanding and making that space to actually receive the kind of relationship that we want to have comes from our ability to have that somatic and nervous system safety, like the body as a whole and the nervous system, it makes this room. And then it's so funny that, like, sometimes it's hard to ask for touch, but it's also the sort of somatic wisdom that you need. There's so many layers to relationships, right? And I know we all know that coming to this conversation, you and I individually, but also every woman on the line who is pushed play on this episode. We know how complex relationships can be. We were talking before we started to record today about the kind of women that you and I work with. And I wanted to just give like a little bit of context around that for everybody listening. So you and I both work with women at many different stages of relationship. And so as you're listening, you might be wanting to get into a relationship in the future and really enjoying being single right now or figuring out what it means to be single right now. Or you might be in early stages, or you might be in a committed, like transitioning to marriage, navigating marriage, navigating divorce, navigating whatever it is, like this conversation is for every woman, and you're gonna find something in here for you no matter where you are. So, Emily, what are some of the, let's just like get right in there. What are some of the things that you see women struggling with in their marriage? Like, what are some of those common sticking points and growth areas where it gets tricky for women?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I I I love that question. And I think it's just, you know, no coincidence, but the conversation we were just having about that that certainty of feeling belonging, I belong here. I think there are definitely patterns that I see many women struggle with, and it it all does tie back to this core need for belonging and wanting to feel wanting to feel connection. I'm I'm like trying to find the word I'm looking for, but not really knowing how to articulate it. You know, women who are like, I want more, or I I just want to feel closer, and they throw out these sort of vague asks, but they aren't really clear on what they want. And and so that's that's like a a pattern on the outer level. But I think what's happening is what we're looking for is that sense of reassurance that there's belonging, and because we're looking for safety and the way that really transpires in behavior, and whether we're aware of it or not, which is I think why we do the work, right, is to build that awareness and to be able to work through it. But the main two patterns, and they sort of contradict each other. I just want to preface it by saying they're opposites and at the same time, I see many women do both at different times. And it's, you know, a pattern of codependency where we really feel like we need a relationship, we need someone else to make us feel whole or complete or worthy or adequate enough. And codependency is really this kind of underlying question of like, who do I need to be in order to be worthy? And it causes us to sort of always be in this self-manipulating, like I play all the different parts and wear all the different masks so that people like me, so that I can feel that reassurance of belonging. And then on the other end of that is this in hyper-independence. And it and it's that, you know, if codependency is who do I need to be, this independence is sort of like what do I need to do to be worthy? How do I prove that I'm good enough? How do I be valuable? It's like having job security, right? And and I think a lot of that actually comes again from this fear of of not belonging and not feeling loved or lovable, is it's like hyper-vigilance, really. And it it is the part of us that's like, I just need to do all the things and control all the things and and have it be a certain way because that makes me feel safe. And and it really does come back to that core need for belonging. So I see these patterns a lot in tandem. And I think we vacillate between them depending on what's happening in our external world, what's happening in our physical bodies, where we are in our cycle, where we are in our emotional like roller coaster of things. And so I don't I don't see many, I mean, I think we we can gravitate towards more, one of them more than the other, but I often find the women are holding both of these patterns. And it's challenging because, you know, from the other end of it, the person that you're in relationship with is feeling this pressure of needing to reassure you. And that's hard and that triggers them into their own patterns. So so it's it's I think the real, the reason why we do the work to build self-awareness, the reason we come to yoga or breath work or any other type of practice is to find this center point between the two and to really find balance of like how do I ground myself so that I'm not over here trying to be everything for everybody or over here trying to, you know, I don't need anybody, I'll do it all on my own. And so I I it's it's really interesting. And I think when you have the awareness and you watch yourself in these patterns, it's like, wow, I'm I'm all over the place. And what I hear a lot of women say is like, I just feel like I keep like, how do I not lose myself again? Yeah. So that's like my really long answer to the the challenges that I see a lot of women struggle with and where it comes from internally. And it and it all does stem for this like wanting to feel like we are worthy and lovable and uh safe in in our nervous system from a place of belonging.

SPEAKER_01:

Ah I'm just letting that land because gosh, what a solid answer. Listeners, just just know that was a really solid answer. And it covered so much, like what's happening on the surface, that casual mention of a need that's vague, where you're you're not actually really being clear with your partner or yourself about what you want, and then experiencing the non-result as something that you internalize. Oh, you know, they're not listening to me, or it becomes some sort of a blame game on them, or a judgment analysis on them, or a disconnection from self that grows, and maybe that's you shrinking in conversation or not bringing up what matters to you, or having a really hard time picking the movie when it's movie night or whatever it is. And then that sort of deeper, like if we go underneath the hood and look further down in the ecosystem, there's really this polarity of experience between hyper-individuality and hyper like self-responsibility. And this, like, you're removed from community when you're in that space. It's all about you. And then this very codependent realm where you're really externally oriented with your partner, you're thinking about them and how you can get their love and safety and belonging. And really, you and I both know, and I just like want to gently say it, is that this comes from somewhere. Like these patterns have emerged as adaptive responses within because your nervous system learned that if it used this software, that then you would feel love, safe, and accepted. But the problem with using an old software is it doesn't, and your nervous system is like it's not designed to respond in real time from higher self. It's designed to respond in real time from the lowest energy standpoint, right? Your nervous system gets triggered. The lowest amount of energy that your body can use is to wire an old software pattern and apply it to a situation in real time. And then you are talking about how we are doing these practices, we're doing this work to really work on the us part of the equation. Because we can't seek safety and belonging and acceptance outside of ourselves more than the capacity that we have within. So just holy moly, women, so much to think about. So much goodness there. I'm curious about a little more specificity for our listeners of like how does hyper independence, that's my word for it, manifest. How does codependency manifest? Can you give us some practical examples of like real-world everyday situations?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I well, I think you you really nailed it. You said the word like projecting. And I I see a lot of if you were to even just listen to the thoughts that you have about your marriage, about your partner, about men in general, about like past partners, whatever. You know, we we we hear people talking about like what's the narrative, what's the story, but if you're really if you're really willing to listen to it, it's helpful to write it down, maybe just a list of general thoughts that you have. He never, he always, he doesn't care, he doesn't show up, he doesn't this, he does this. And and it's very much like as you just said, our brain sort of goes to what's the the easiest, like because our brain wants to minimize effort, it just pulls the story forward. Okay, this is what we already know to be true. I I like to think of it as like if I get a shiny piece of colorful flyer in the mailbox, I don't even look at it, I just throw it away. I just automatically filter it as junk mail. And I think we we have thoughts about other people that we automatically filter as this kind of always or never or this means this, because it's the easiest pathway for our brain. And so when we when we look at the thoughts that we're having, we can see that the person in front of us, as you just said, is not, we're not relating to the person in front of us, we're relating to this story of this image of this person. And so a lot of that ends up being projection of, you know, I might subtly say, right, make a very like non-firm ask, oh, wouldn't it be nice if we or oh, that seems, you know, and we call these bids for connection. And when they're not when the other person doesn't respond to it with curiosity and open and and and tell me more about that, we just make that mean he doesn't care. Or when we're feeling like I'm making an effort or I'm asking, I'm feeling upset, this is important to me, and I put it forward and you don't pick up on it, then I'm internalizing that to mean you it's not important to you or you don't care. So I think a lot, a lot of that projection is watching other people's behavior and making it mean something, but really from a lens of what you're feeling inside. Am I making that clear? Is that yeah?

SPEAKER_01:

I just want to add something I feel like you're saying so that our listeners make sure that part rings true. And it's it's basically like doing that work, but in a way that is in real time. It's unfolding in real time your present for that conversation with a certain degree of neutrality so that you can actually meet your partner, you can respond in a way that is actually reflective. So it's it's really like this practice of discernment in a way.

SPEAKER_00:

Totally. And there was something you said too that I wanted to add on, which is like this this like low frequency connection is what I call it, where you know what really unfolds a lot for people who are not if if you're not being present and intentional in the moment to be open-minded and to really see what's happening, and you're allowing yourself to just be swept up in this story. We call that low emotion or high emotion, low intelligence. So high emotion is I'm feeling really emotional, it's really big in me, my nervous system's dysregulated, it feels a little chaotic, right? So that's what I'm probably gonna project out and make it a you problem or make it something about you. And and low intelligence is I'm not able to be open-minded, curious, and and to see what's happening in front of me. So my brain's gonna go to those automatic beliefs and patterns of like, I'm feeling a really, really big feeling. This is probably what that means. And now I've created a story and I'm gonna react to that. Whereas if we can switch that to be low emotion, high intelligence, low emotion means I've I've taken the time to sit with the feeling, to understand it, to feel it, to allow it to like go through this cycle of escalating and peaking and then like letting it inform me. So now I have information and I've done that work on my own. I'm feeling a big feeling, I step away, I can really get clear, maybe not fully process it, but I can understand where it's coming from. I truly believe that our emotions are always informing us of a need that is unmet. And if we take that information, we're like, what's underneath this? What's happening? What need is not being met? And now we have clarity, but we're not in high emotion, we're not in the chaos of it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Then then we meet that with high intelligence of like, oh, okay, well, now I'm I have clarity, I can be curious, I wonder how my partner could support me. Then when we bring the feeling, the need, the whatever, the issue to the other person, we can speak from this place of low emotion, high intelligence, which is I'm noticing that I'm feeling really emotional about this. And I think what I really need is this. And here's what here's the support I would love. Here's how you can meet me with this. And it's such a different way to approach the relationship rather than the automatic patterns of I'm feeling a feeling, the feeling itself is the problem. It's because you're not doing this, or you always do this, and I'm projecting it out, and therefore you're the problem.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Well, and I also just want to I want to name a common thing that you as the listener may be thinking about right now. And one of the things that I hear women asking a lot are the difference between those triggers and those emotions that we need to really just practice connecting with ourselves around and even asking, like in that curious way, what does this emotion need? What is this emotion telling me that I need from me? And then, like, that's a beautiful truth. And truthfully, I feel like the bulk of the work is there. And then also there can be these lines crossed in relationships that women see getting crossed. And then they start to part of that story becomes do I stay in this relationship? Is this a toxic relationship? Like, there's so much wrapped up in this, and I love your acknowledgement of the importance of doing the work to actually work with your emotions. Like, this is not just about like pick a new one and see it differently, you know, we're not gaslighting ourselves into better relationships. I'm doing air quotes. We're doing the like real work to make the space. But then can you kind of speak to that internal question of like, do I leave or do I stay? Is this too bad? Can this relationship shift? You know, I have all these judgments about my partner that I've been kind of baked into me at this point, like that sort of unique spot that a woman has the awareness around.

SPEAKER_00:

It is such a good question. And I I think that sometimes when women are asking this question of like, you know, should I leave? Should I stay? Is it gonna work? What if it doesn't work? What if I do the work and I outgrow, you know, there's all there's all this fear around it. And I think really the question to ask yourself is can you be okay with whatever the outcome is? And can you, because the work is really about your own ability to be with yourself no matter what's happening in life, right? Like you said, like we don't want to just like swap it out for a new quote unquote better relationship. You can't swap out your circumstances because wherever you go, there you are. So that's not to say that you know that you are the problem. It's it's are you willing to be as intimate with yourself and aware of yourself and willing to take responsibility of showing up the best that you can to try to create the best possible outcome and then from that place be open-minded to say, okay, what is happening when I shift how I show up? Does how does he respond to that? Is this improving things? Or is it actually just making it more clear that we're not going to be on the same page? He doesn't want this growth with me. And I think it's it's more about how do I accept that in in whatever comes in whatever situation that I will be okay because I have me, I have this relationship with myself. And I really think every relationship that we have with others is the foundation of it, is the relationship we have with ourselves. And and I had another question that's really similar, I want to speak to in case anyone is feeling this way. But I had someone ask me a question the other day of like, I've already done so much work to protect my peace and to safeguard my energy and myself and to pull back from the behaviors, you know, I I don't use the word toxic, but like the behaviors that are that feel unhealthy in our relationship coming from him. And I've I've already done a lot of work to discern that and and pull back from that so I can protect myself and my peace. So, how do I step into working on the relationship without losing myself and like becoming a doormat again? And I think that's a really, really valuable question because, you know, working on your relationship with another person does require that you're willing to see them for who they are and willing to be open-minded and release past judgments and resentments and give them the benefit of the doubt. And at the same time, it requires that we hold the level of sovereignty and authority that we have in the work we've done to build our relationship with ourselves. So I love this concept of boundaries as I know where I end and you begin. And I can sit here and hold space for you and listen to you and open up myself for deeper intimacy with you and open this space for more vulnerability and truth to come through so there can be more awareness. But I'm not gonna lose myself in it because I know that I'm not responsible for your thoughts and feelings. I am only responsible for my own.

SPEAKER_01:

That sense of self, that sense of connection to yourself, that knowing yourself deeply, that holding the container around yourself in a way. And and being the energy manager of that container. Like, what am I taking on? What am I saying no to? How am I gonna communicate a change? Because part of what I hear is like a woman has made a decision for herself to show up differently. And then it's like, well, what's the trickle-down effect of that over on my relationship? And how do I communicate that? So, for as a personal example, it's like over overly holding space for my partner and then realizing, gosh, that's too much emotional taxation on me. We're gonna pull that back and have a little more where I end, where you begin, around my ability to hold space for you on in these areas, right? And so I think about it like when I first started teaching yoga, I had a very physical approach to my practice because that's what I knew best at that time. And it's evolved a lot. And I would find like some cue that I was teaching and it taught everyone was just shit. And I needed to like reevaluate and teach it differently. And that was that was one of those like maturations for me as a yoga teacher. And I think we have these same maturations in our marriages. It's like we're not going to be the same person we were for, you know. I've been with my partner, I don't, I don't even know how long. I think a long time 15, 16 years, somewhere like that, right? At some point you stop counting, right? It's very important to me, and also we're just in it. Yeah, you know, like you're gonna change, and you have to be able to have that sovereignty of self. And like for the listeners, I've like got my arms up. I'm in a somatic position that feels powerful, arms in front, arms on top. And also to be able to communicate those changes with our person, those evolutions.

SPEAKER_00:

You also just said something that I think is also really key and a great thing to use as an example about even as a yoga teacher, when you you are cueing things, you're trying to literally instruct someone on how to do something. And it when you can watch them not understand the cue and and do it in a way, I don't want to use the word incorrectly, but like not the way you intended it, or maybe in a way that's not safe or it's not supportive. And you're like, I need I need to understand how to re-cue that to get the response that I'm hoping for them. And the same thing is true in relationships with people. We are always instructing people on how to connect with us and how to interact with us. And it's like, you know, back to the patterns we learned in childhood. We're we're watching, we're observing, we're like, how do I get this person's attention or how do I get my needs met? And we're modifying our own behavior. We do the same thing with other people. So so one thing I did as a real example was, you know, we would always have this recurring fight. And I could, I mean, there would be the same words would be spoken. We'd be standing in the same place, always in the kitchen, and it would start with, you know, if you, you know, and it just just picking up on the patterns and and literally like, how do I, how do I somatically shift this? How do I cue it differently? How do I show up? Like just little small changes to reframe what's happening in real time. And so, you know, even just being like, oh, this sounds like an important conversation. Let's go sit down on the couch and face to face, you know, little things like that. But but how do I also notice like this is how I've been asking for this, how I'm saying this, it's not landing for him. And if I just keep trying the same way, what is that like the definition of insanity is repeating the same effort and expecting different results? Like, yeah. So so if we're not intentionally saying, hmm, that's interesting, that isn't working. Why don't I try something different? And that's really where I think the most, the biggest shifts happen in the smallest, like the smallest, subtle, subtle little differences that we make.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and it it just opens up like back to that word space. It opens up space all of a sudden. Because in any time anytime we're working on a relationship, we're really working on three different relationships. And it's relationship with self, co-created, relationship between, and then the other person in the relationship. And so it enables you to sort of have the space to see those as different things. And I think as a woman, also to just remind ourselves over and over again that no matter what happens, we're actually going to be okay. Like I know that that is something that our nervous systems need to hear because so much of the sort of traditional views of women's roles in the world and how we were meant to belong and feel loved and safe, and what a marriage was and what a marriage meant, and our financial freedom, and you know, just like all those different freedoms that we now have and sometimes take for granted to vote, for example. But our ancestors did not necessarily. And so we're taking this like old system and then adapting it to a woman who has self-awareness, who has done a ton of work to know herself deeply, who has a consistent yoga practice that she knows she can touch back into and come back home to herself anytime she needs it, right? Like that's a very different woman. Finding her way into these conversations in the kitchen where body language is the same, right? And I think that high emotion, low intelligence part, like that's a nervous system state. And if and if you can be aware that you're the observer of that state rather than the person in that state, then it can open up new possibilities in that moment of who you get to be and how you get to react and who your partner gets to be, for sure.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and it's like the conscious decision in real time to say, like, oh, wow, I'm feeling, I'm seeing, I'm noticing, I'm sensing, and I'm still, I'm still in my power to like shift all that into an environment that like is more supportive, more productive, calmer, more grounded. And and that is how you create a different result.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. How do you what would you say to that woman who's who's in that place of I've done all this work to protect my individual energy? And now I want to work on my marriage, but I don't want to lose myself. Like, what are some pro tips that you would give her?

SPEAKER_00:

Gosh. Well, I talk a lot about uh coming back to this word space, just even thinking, I'm a very visual person. So I like to think about, and I love the way you said these three parts of a relationship. And I just quick story, like the beginning, like my husband and I had been on our own paths of doing our own personal growth, spiritual like journeys for for, I guess it was like six or seven years before we started to make an effort to grow together. And it was really came from this conversation where I said, I feel like we're both doing pretty good of like, I got me and you've got you, but there's this space between us, and like whose responsibility is it to nurture that and to make sure that that's growing as well. Almost if you have a child, like you know, you have to co-parent. And and there's gotta be real discussions about like what that looks like and and what the values are and all of that. But I I remember that that was the point where I was like, I'm not gonna wait for him to step up and step into the space and start caring for it. And I at the same time, I needed to realize that I thought I was really doing my best to nurture that space, but really I was kind of dominating it. And so to answer your question about like the the pro tips are like really to sort of think about this what space you are occupying. And if you're bringing your stuff into the co-created space as like, you know, your energy, your that that high emotion, as like, where are we? Why aren't we here? What's going, you know, and that that life sort of can feel like really anxious and stuff that's not really nurturing the space. And so, you know, my pro tip is always like have a space, a physical space that you can go to where you have already created maybe you have some candles, maybe you have an altar, maybe you have a yoga mat you can roll out, but you can also close the door, close the shades, and really get to like a sense of safety in yourself so that you can regulate. Because if you're noticing I'm having this feeling or I'm having this thought, or this is important, we need to talk about it. And you're in high emotion, I think the first thing we're and it and I remember when I started doing that and and just noticing the energy in my body of anxiousness or urgency or whatever. And instead of going right to him, I would go to my my space and I would take five or 10 minutes and just take some deep breaths and be like, okay, what is really important here? And sometimes it required more emotional processing, and sometimes it was that simple of just like, what's actually needing to be said? And then I can come back to him with that like calm energy and actually have a conversation. And on the flip side of that, I started to watch when he would chase me around and be like, hey, you know, we need to blah, blah, blah. And I would be like, Cool, it sounds really important, but let's just, let's just talk about this in 20 minutes. And like create more space between the sense of urgency or heightened emotion before the conversation. And I think that if if I were to give like one little pro tip, it's that it's like it's okay to feel the urgency, to feel the importance of whatever is on your mind, on your heart, and also give it some space before you share it to really get clear on what needs to be said.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, absolutely. And that space, people can get creative with that space. Your space might be a locked bathroom door, it might be a yoga studio space in your house, it might be in your car, it might not be in your house at all, it might be you sitting in a coffee shop. Like, whatever you need to do to make space. I have clients who use their closet as their space space. Just go like let it be very fluid when you put into practice what Emily is sharing here around making that space, being in that physical space that reminds you that this is time to ground and tune in. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's so important. And I also want to talk a little bit about how motherhood impacts marriage, because I think that we have a lot of us had unrealistic expectations about motherhood, about what that journey would really require. And then marriagehood and what that journey would really require. I think I made a new word, marriage. I love it. Let's fucking go with it. So knowing that, like if we are real, like motherhood really changes a marriage dynamic. And a lot of times, like if there's transitions to like maybe preg maybe birth was difficult, maybe pregnancy was a challenge, or you felt unsupported, or maybe like any number of things, right? Maybe a child was lost and there's this reality of bereavement and grief that you're facing. Like parenthood, I feel like can also really highlight marriage challenges and also require more creativity and conscious effort to pour into that space between you. So let's talk about that a little bit together.

SPEAKER_00:

This is like such a I was gonna say loaded topic. It's not loaded, it's it's just there is so much. And I feel like because it's so nuanced and everyone's experience is so different. And for me, the you know, the early we let's see, we got pregnant with my oldest son a year after we got married. And so my my marriagehood and my motherhood were almost simultaneous. And for me, that was really the moment where I think I really was able to draw a line in the sand and be like, okay, my tolerance for the bullshit is done. Because I I couldn't, there was no way I could continue to, and I mean, I love my husband so much, and nothing but the most amazing things to say about him now. But who he was then, I mean, 14 years ago, he was definitely like still kind of acting like a teenager in a lot of ways. And I was the primary breadwinner. I was, you know, feeling a little bit more like everything that we had. We had also just bought a house, and I had a very high ambitious career. And it just every I was taking life a little more seriously than he was. And I remember sitting there with this baby in my arms, and and also he was drinking a lot, and and and at this was the point when I think we realized that it was actually a problem. And so having my newborn and having to tell my husband, who was, you know, cracking open his third or fourth beer of the night and being like, no, you can't hold him. Like for me, it was like this is we're not, this is not sustainable. We're not doing this anymore. So, you know, not to, not to like have that story be the the you know, the real conversation. I what I'm saying is that I think for me it really activated a point of we need to be a little more serious in how we're approaching this relationship, how we're going to approach parenthood, you know, and all of these things. And so it's been definitely a journey. But what I think is interesting now, I also want to say is that I have two sons and they are now nine and 13. And, you know, the one of the best pieces of advice I got early on when I had babies was he's gonna do it differently and let him. And now I've seen that piece of advice really evolve into like it's so important for them to have their own relationship. It's so important for me to not meddle in the relationship that my sons get to have with their father. And, you know, because I've had a lot of conversations around like who I want him to be as a dad. And it's kind of just like I've got to surrender that control a little bit and be like, they're gonna have whatever relationship they're meant to have. And I'm really grateful that my husband has been such an active and healthy role model for my sons, but there are still things that like I'm like, man, I really wish and and for me, probably has something to do with the dad I didn't have, you know. And and so I think it's just interesting to like tow this line of how how do we co-parent in a way that like both of our values are are acknowledged and and respected and put into the the you know the parenthood whole dynamic of the family. And at the same time, how do I release like him and them to whatever they're going to have, regardless of how I want it to be?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I feel like at the core of so much of what you shared is how how awake a person is, and then how much self-identity you have, versus like nervous system patterning to just accept and see and not really see those those boundaries between where you are and someone else's, and what is your responsibility and what is not. And I I loved your share about your relationship with your husband, about holding your baby and needing to have that conversation. And I feel like that's such a relatable thing. Being human, all of us are way more complex than any of us would ever think. Like a marriage is a long time. There, any marriage out there has its challenges, its different things that it grows through, right? And so, but it it is to me this idea of karma yoga, right? Like that we're here to grow through what we go through. And so I see you using that moment to be like it stops here. And I can relate myself to that idea that the bullshit stops here in a very different way, unrelated to substances of my husband. Just like, I think we all realize when you become a mother, it's like, okay, suddenly my capacity was that, and now my capacity is this. And it and actually what it gets to be in this box of what is my priority is very purposeful. And so there's no longer this room for leaked energy. It's like, nope, we're on a, you know, lifelong journey of mothering this person now. So we need to be more intentional. But also that identity piece, like doing this work, doing the inner work, doing the healing work, doing the yoga, doing the somatics, it ultimately is fostering a level of self-connection that you are then solid and sturdy and okay enough to navigate whatever comes and know that core message of I will be okay no matter what. Because I think a lot of women lose their identity and relationships and then view that relationship as their source of safety. And it could even just be like financial safety. And then that becomes a like reinforcement of the old patternings need to stay in order to keep the relationship functioning, right? There's I just want to like, I feel like we could talk for a million years and have like five five tip episodes on this topic. I want to acknowledge with our listeners that we see that big range of what's going on.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And I think also like we like another thought that just came through for me was this idea of I love how you said like you lose yourself in relationships. That was a hundred percent me until I had my children and started to find myself through through motherhood. And and I mean, I don't know about anyone else, but I have two kids, and they one is a hundred percent like my husband's inner child, and one is a hundred percent, a hundred percent my inner child. And it it's been such a a learning experience to really embrace and to to understand where their bigger emotions are coming from and how they're showing up, and to be able like it's helped me have so much more compassion for both of us. But I also think that I hear a lot from women, especially in the sort of like millennial generation of like, we're the women who are parenting our children, parenting our husbands, and parenting our parents. And like, you know, the women who are doing the work, I think it's you know, spans beyond just millennials, but I hear that from that group a lot. But it's like the women who are doing the work are really trying to reparent themselves, their children, their husbands, and their parents. And I I think it's yes, and I also think it's like a divine mission to like accept that and not be angry about it. But I also feel like on the piece of not parenting your husband, it's that what you just said about capacity. When you become a mom, you're kind of like, I can't hold this for you anymore because there's someone who actually needs it from me. So it's like you kind of gotta like I have to kick you out of the nest now, in a way, right? You've got to grow up. And I and I just I just wanted to speak to that because I think a lot of women who truly desire to be in a relationship that feels emotionally nurturing, give at the cost of their own nourishment and and you know, sort of deplete their own energy in doing so. And and it's hard as a transition into, you know, being them, or just even in general, when you realize you've sort of been caregiving for your partner who's an adult, it's hard to cut them off. It's hard to make that shift and to say, like, I can't, I can't mother you through this anymore. But at the same time, it's really liberating for both people in the relationship. And, you know, I I did have to with my husband say, like, I'm not doing this for you anymore. You know, I can't, you've got to figure it out. And it's really scary. And at the same time, uh, he's either gonna land on his feet or he isn't. And I think there is a way to be, again, back to that piece of like to not lose yourself. There is a way to still be supportive without carrying it for him and making it easier for him. And I do think that just because I think this is an important topic about, bless you, an important topic about mothering is like, yes, you need to be a mother to your children, but you don't need to be a mother to your husband. You need to be a resourced woman that can mirror his own influence and authority and self-agency back to him and say, You've got this. I don't have to do this for you. You've got this. I trust you. And I think that's hard for a lot of women too, because it requires also letting them fail forward, letting them do it wrong, letting them learn. And sometimes it feels easier to just do it and do it, you know. My my mother used to say, Do you want it done or do you want it done right? And it's like, you know, it's easier to just be like, I'll do it myself, because you know, if he does the dishes, I still have to go in and clean up afterwards. And it's like okay to let him do it and and do it maybe not to your standards, if it means that he's learning how to hold more responsibility in the relationship and and hold more authority in his relationship with himself.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And perhaps that person that needs the mothering is you. Yes. Right? Right. Well, I know that yoga has been a part of your journey. I know that we've talked about collaborating and how these worlds they really all mix together. So I'm curious about how yoga, like how do you view things like a yoga practice as part of a system that creates a healthier marriage?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I well, my my relationship with yoga really began at the same time as my relationship with motherhood. My first yoga class was prenatal and with my first son. Wow. And then after my second son was born, I spent a summer working at a yoga studio doing like a work exchange. And so I was doing yoga practicing every day in a studio, and it really was the place where all of my self-awareness, like not only could I have more self-awareness, but it was like it gave it a place to land and it gave me this consistency of a support system. Like if you think about like how you know, masculine and feminine dynamics work, and we want the masculine to create structure, like yoga for me, consistency, discipline, structure of showing up for myself, not about what the movements were, but it was about creating space for me to feel and about having discipline with myself of like keep coming back to the body, keep coming back to myself. And I had a very unhealthy relationship with my body. So it wasn't about wanting to be skinny or wanting to be, you know, sexy or any of those things. It was about loving myself through my body. And it it was, it was really incredible. And then, and it gave me space to feel and it gave me spell space to think. And so for me, it was like I think yoga in any sense of the word, because for me, like I really love you in yoga and I love a good flow. I love all different types of yoga, but I think whatever, whatever type of yoga practice speaks to you in your body, it it's really about that space. It's like here is the space where I can identify and work through the stuff and come back to myself and come back to clarity and come back to my own power. And I think it's just really important to have some type of practice. And, you know, for some people, it's not yoga, it's some other somatic practice, but I really just think that the body is the tool. And, you know, it's it's it's how we allow energy to move through the body. That's like emotions or energy in motion. And so I think for women in particular, having a practice of being able to feel and regulate and process emotions and let them inform you is the most important tool to have. And and so yoga for me was really that tool. And and I also I just want I want to say too that my yoga teacher used to say this a lot, and her, it was something her teacher would say to her, but if you want to know how your yoga is going, look at your relationships. Because we are in relationship, as you said, like we this is this is our life, this is our world. We don't live in a vacuum. We are always in relationship. And I believe that yoga, specifically with like the yamas and the niyamas, and this sort of sense of like, how do I govern myself and how do I show up with other people, is all about how are my relationships? And it's it's such a gauge of like if if I'm doing the yoga and my relationships aren't improving, maybe I'm not really doing the yoga. Maybe I'm just moving my body. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, absolutely. For our listeners that don't know, the yamas and the niyamas are basically like a social code. It's a way of being in yourself and in relationship. And so some of those are things like satya, this concept of truthfulness, of just really speaking honestly, looking honestly, being there being truthfulness as part of it. And it's also things like um, I'm sorry, satya, yeah, contentment, non-malice in our communication, ahimsa. And so it's this idea that, you know, we're really just showing up in a way that is helping us to be a more clear channel for what is in real time and to be open to Santosha, to goodness, right? Whatever it is. And so I think that your story about yoga being a part of your life and it being a love story is so relatable. Like I know myself, and I'm I'm venturing to guess you as the listener, you all relate to that in different ways. And obviously, I am super partial to yoga, and so are you. And it is because like it works all the levels, the life, your body, your mind, your spirit, your energy, like all of it you're getting to work on when you practice. And I think that one of the things I'm really wanting to speak on more in 2026 is this notion that we've kind of failed in the yoga industry because we've made it all about exercise and we've discredited as this like larger life transformer that it really is, and how it does like it, the consistent practice of yoga as being this sort of nurturance that we can turn to actually becomes part of the tool belt with which our relationship is in better flow because our yoga practice is making that space and clearing the channel, right? And so I feel like it's this full circle dynamic of resourcing in and knowing yourself deeply and having that love story with self that then allows you to be the kind of woman when your husband does the dishes wrong or whatever it is, you can meet it.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And I I think I mean, obviously, the dishes, it's such a it's such a relatable example, and the small stuff is always the big stuff, but of course there are bigger concerns as well. But yoga, and I I love the way you said that, like we were sort of not, I I think there's so much more that we can do. And for me, yoga was a great place to have a relationship with myself, but then it was like, how do I take this off the mat? How do I take this into my world? And and I always longed for like let's like sit and talk after after yoga and like express what comes through. And I think we what we're looking for is not just to witness these things in ourselves, but I think we really want someone to witness them as well. And so I think at the core, so many women really crave partnership in a way that feels like I have someone who can witness the most vulnerable parts of me and still love me and remind me that I'm enough and that I'm worthy and that I belong. And again, back to that piece of it. And I I wanted to speak for a moment about this word intimacy because our, you know, our like sex crazy culture that we live in just conflates these two words of sex and intimacy. And intimacy, the root of it in it comes from Latin, which actually means like innermost, deepest. And and our innermost, deepest self is the part that we seek to know through yoga and through somatic practices of any sort. And it is absolutely the foundation of our relationships. But then to be able to take this concept of intimacy into a relationship with another person really means that I I let you all the way in. And the parts of ourselves that we let someone see, you know, without being guarded, without needing to perfect it, without apologizing for it, right? That was me. I would have this big emotional outburst and cry. And then I would say, Oh, I'm so sorry, you must hate me. Like this is it's so ugly. It was disgusting. Like I had so much shame around my vulnerability. And to really be able to say, I'm feeling scared, I'm feeling insecure, I'm feeling unworthy, right? Not just sad, mad, you know, but like I'm feeling unworthy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And it's hard for me to ask this of you because it feels shameful, but like I need reassurance that that I'm that I'm lovable, that I'm worthy, that I deserve to be here. And it's like, that is like the most. Most vulnerable thing I think you can ask of someone. And so I think about intimacy, yes, there's physical intimacy, and that is such a beautiful thing to experience, but emotional intimacy where we share our inner world, that part that we don't let other people see that we're super guarded about. I think of that as like how we take the next step in the work. And that's why it's like this bridge between inner, you know, personal growth and relationship growth in my work is about how do you really have a relationship, an intimate relationship with yourself, but then how do you also get to share that with another person and then get to witness their innermost vulnerable, authentic self?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. There's a comedian out there that has a bit. I'll have to send it to you and I'll put it in the show notes. But she's talking about how after her and her partner went to couples therapy, how they fought. And so she was like doing a whole bit on that. And the example was like when you say this thing, it triggers the part of me that feels this way. And then, like, and she was just acting it all out. And it's beautiful because it is that sort of intimacy and language and ability to acknowledge inside and out. Like, as you were talking, I know a lot of my clients have abandonment triggers. I have abandonment triggers that come up in relationship as well. And so it's that idea that, like, you're going to get your abandonment trigger pushed on sometimes in a marriage or in a long-term relationship. Like, it is inevitable that that will come up if that's a wounded space inside you. And how you meet that, do you meet that with love and grace and patience? Do you communicate that need to yourself? Oh, that part of me that's scared of being left. She's scared right now. Can I be brave enough to share that? I think that all these things, like as we develop self-intimacy, that lays the groundwork for intimacy in partnership. And as a multi-dimensional being, like you have a body that needs certain kinds of intimacy, and you have a mind that needs different kinds of intimacy. And if we wanted to see improvements in our relationships, then playing with how we can plug more intimacy in without pressure seems like a good opportunity for people. Do you does that land at all?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, absolutely. And that's like, you know, the again, to just to just automatically think about intimacy as meaning sex, it's like, well, there's actually five different types of intimacy. We are multi-level layered beings, and there's emotional intimacy, intellectual, physical, social, and spiritual. And the more that you are intentional about creating intimate like channels for intimacy on all these different levels, the more multi-layered your relationship gets to be, not just from like, how do we connect, but how do I feel supported? How do I feel belonging? How do I feel safety through all these different channels? And what's really cool too is that once you're aware of them, you know, when you're feeling insecure and you're back to those like triggered feelings, you can be like, where am I out of alignment? Which which one of these channels do I need to plug back into? Am I feeling a little bit like spiritually depleted right now? Am I feeling a little bit socially lacking? Do I need to just go have some fun? You know, and it's it's interesting to again to that piece of like being able to understand what you actually need and articulate that. Like I can say to my husband, like, not like, oh, everything's really stressful and you're not home and what's going on. It's like, I think we need some fun. Right. And it's so, it's such a beautiful thing to be able to say to someone, I miss you.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

How can we, which of these do we need to plug into to feel more connected and grounded together right now? And I think that is such a valuable asset to have. And and also, I'm so glad you brought up the abandonment thing because I meant to speak to that. But I have a huge abandonment wound, which I learned through my self-work. But I also realize that many women who have abandonment wounds tend to self-abandon in relationships. And this is where codependency shows up. And it's so it's like, I'm gonna give everything I have to you rather than you know, reserving some of it for me. Because if I give everything I have to you, then maybe you'll love me and I won't feel abandoned rather than I have to meet my own needs right now. I have to resource for myself. And and so again, to this concept of different levels of intimacy, is like it's not just about how you have social, spiritual, physical, intimate, you know, intimacy with another person, but how do you have it with yourself? Do you have an identity outside of your relationship? Do you have hobbies and friends? Do you have a strong relationship to your sense of faith? Do you have a way to feel and process your emotions? Do you have community? Like you've got to be resourced and nourished if you want to pour into your relationship. And yeah, that was a big learning process for me with the self-abandonment stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

So beautiful. And there's, gosh, there's so much I want to dig into there. But uh we do have two final questions that we'll get to today. And I know that there's there's so much more to just acknowledge within that. So I'm gonna let this be my acknowledgement of it. So yoga obviously is a huge part of the method that I help my clients with as a sort of nurturance along the path and really a support as we grow and heal and expand ourselves and evolve. And so I know you've shared some about how yoga has been a part of your growth and healing journey in the past. How is yoga a part of your growth and healing journey today?

SPEAKER_00:

Such a good question. I would say, you know, just back to that idea of different layers of intimacy, I think it really is it's kind of a checkpoint for me. It's kind of like I said, a a I don't want to say system. But if I know that I need to strengthen or say my spiritual, like plug back into there, it's like, okay, I know how to do that with yoga. If I need to do it socially, like I can go and do yoga. And it's just interesting. I think it actually kind of meets all of the boxes in terms of the layers of intimacy. But it's also I think the most th beautiful thing about it, we talked about like the yamas and the niyamas being like this sort of social framework. Like I think about yoga as a guide for how am I showing up in my life? How am I honoring myself? How am I living in integrity? And that word is really big for me. I, you know, back to like checkpoints. I always come back to that word of like, is this in integrity?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Not just alignment, not just does it serve me, not just am I, you know, but like what what is my authenticity? What is my intention? It really helps to slow me down and and practice discernment. It's like, you know, we we get so caught up in life and we think, oh, if I just do these things and I just gotta get this done, and it's like never feels like the most valuable thing to stop and and really check in with yourself. But for me, yoga is like such a great way to be like, once I roll out the mat, I'm like, okay, I've committed to this. Like, I'm not gonna have any more mind drama about it. And it's like I'm here. And because I'm here, now it's like really this inner inquiry of discernment, integrity, authenticity, what feels true, what feels real. And it's just it's such a beautiful way to like clear out the clutter and the noise of what's happening around me. So truthfully, I don't think I practice as much as I want to, but I think also I come back to this question of a lot of like, am I still in integrity if I'm not on the mat every day? And I actually what what I'm hearing, what feels real for me, is that there's a much more integrated practice of yoga in terms of how I carry it off the mat, and that is still with me every day. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01:

Our worth as yoga professionals is not based on hours on the mat, right? It's based on like living that yoga.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And also I weave it into my work a lot. I guess I should mention that that I do lead women's circles as well. And I always in my work with relationships, I also offer a lot of integration of an integration piece, and that is always body-based. And it's, you know, it's not necessarily a quote unquote yoga practice, but there is yoga informs that practice a lot. And yeah, because I do think we need that integration.

SPEAKER_01:

Body integration for sure. So, Emily, where can people find you? Where are you most active on the internet?

SPEAKER_00:

So mostly Instagram at the Marriage Mystic. And yeah, that's that's pretty much it. I I've tried to just simplify my life a little. So I'm on Instagram, and then my website is themarriagemystic.com. And yeah, I guess just I'll probably, as I do more podcasts and things like that, be sharing. So, you know, listening to picking up pieces of my story and my work. It's, you know, I love doing podcast interviews and I love doing workshops and online events. So those are all on my website. But yeah, Instagram is where I'm most active.

SPEAKER_01:

Instagram. And Emily makes some very beautiful, relevant content, some of which I have saved because it's just so good. So definitely check her out on Instagram. And then you have something coming up that you wanted to tell people about. So let's take a moment for you to tell everybody about how they can work with you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so I just want to say that I think nothing is random. And I love how you have woven some language through this whole conversation about like low frequency, high frequency, plugging in, connecting. And so I'm actually I'm running a live event this week. So it will be before this podcast episode comes out, but it's called Connection Codes, and it's like a boot camp style four-day live event. But at the time of this podcast, I will have it up as a on-demand, accessible offer. So it's really about the core, it's it comes back to that piece about the the inner program we already have that's sort of like from old experiences, childhood, you know, things that we've learned and how we're operating from a lower frequency operating system that doesn't create high-frequency connection and the core upgrades that we need to make that happen. So, identity work, it's operating systems, there's mindset and emotional work in there, and then the laying the pathways for more connection. And we dive into like the layers of intimacy. So if you want to hear me speak more on that, that on-demand course is available and I'm happy to offer you a coupon code for your community. But that's a really fun, like three-hour, and then there's a QA, so four-hour online offering.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and we'll put the QR code or the code, the coupon code down in the show notes. So when you're listening to this, you can find that resource below. Emily, thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me here on the Nourished Woman podcast. It's been so great to have you today.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you so much as well. I love you and everything that you're doing, and it's just been so fun to be here with you.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you so much for listening to the Nourished Woman podcast. I would love to hear what resonated with you and what you're carrying with you out into your life. Send me a message on Instagram at the Nourished Woman or even my email. Your messages really mean the world to me, so don't be shy. The beautiful music that you're hearing is by Sean Johnson and the Wild Lotus Band. You can find them on all streaming platforms. I'll see you next week for another episode.